NPoCP?

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 01/02/2019 at 20:34 • Filed to: None

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Freshly rebuilt engine, month-old Earl Scheib paint job. $11,500

jimz > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/02/2019 at 20:40

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stacked headlamps?  automatic CP

WilliamsSW > jimz 01/02/2019 at 20:41

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Wat? 

punkgoose17 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/02/2019 at 20:42

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I don't know what year it is but 10,5oo max price.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/02/2019 at 20:42

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If that car is all metal and rust free (I’m not worried about the taillamp itself) then yeah, that’s still a NP, even with the rattle can paint and bear-eaten interior.

jimz > WilliamsSW 01/02/2019 at 20:45

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I hate stacked headlamps.  doubly so if they’re rectangular.

DipodomysDeserti > jimz 01/02/2019 at 20:46

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¿ ?

WilliamsSW > jimz 01/02/2019 at 20:47

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I’m a huge fan of ‘63-67 Pontiacs, so we’ll have to agree to disagree.

I do agree when it comes to rectangular headlamps though - those are shit.

WilliamsSW > punkgoose17 01/02/2019 at 20:49

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I’m fairly sure it’s a ‘67.  Maybe ‘68, but I think that had a different grille.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/02/2019 at 20:50

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All that effort on the paint but the obvious top and trim damage. If they skipped on those where else did they skip? 

jimz > WilliamsSW 01/02/2019 at 20:52

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I’m a huge fan of ‘63-67 Pontiacs, so we’ll have to ag ree to disagree.

yes we will.

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/02/2019 at 20:55

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That paint is pretty orange peely and they clearly didn’t bother to take the doorhandles off, but I don’t know how much Earl charged for it so no judg ement.

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > jimz 01/02/2019 at 20:56

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with you on the squares and in general on the stacking, but 60s ponchos and caddies pulled it off. 

WilliamsSW > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 01/02/2019 at 20:56

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I’m not sure there was that much effort put into the paint - this smells like a quick effort to put lipstick on it and flip it.  That said, if the body is actually sound metal and everything hangs straight, I think the price is OK.  If it’s full of bondo, fuck no.

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 01/02/2019 at 20:58

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not that much effort on the paint, but that’s a lot of square footage for “I want it good, fast, AND CHEAP!”

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/02/2019 at 20:59

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NP only if the top works/doesn’t leak

WilliamsSW > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/02/2019 at 21:01

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Dude - it’s a 50 year old convertible.  It leaks.  I promise you.  They all do.

RacinBob > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/02/2019 at 21:02

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CP - They couldn’t be bothered to reattach the door pull.   See the work around the door handle and window trim. I don’t think even St. Earl would do body work that bad.

First I assume the car is a rust bucket. Second, based on the “freshly repainted” body work, I assume “ freshly rebuilt” translates to reassembled last weekend at least cost necessary to get it through the test drive.

This flipper is just trying to get as much as possible out of some dude who plans to cruise with the top down. Assuming it goes down at all. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > jimz 01/02/2019 at 21:02

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You have a right to be wrong.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 01/02/2019 at 21:02

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I agree.

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > WilliamsSW 01/02/2019 at 21:04

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ain’t nothing hanging stra ight on that car.  and yeah it’s buzz-blocked,  you need to hand-block a car like that,  even if it’s a POS.    Still it’s a 20 footer, and one would look cool driving around in it.  

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/02/2019 at 21:06

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Scheib

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 01/02/2019 at 21:08

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sounds like Earl Scheib paint job is sub Maaco-bake-o in quality. also the went out of business in 2010.

WilliamsSW > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 01/02/2019 at 21:09

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Yeah, the more I look at the photos, the more weird stuff I see - the hood alignment is wack.

One thing I will say though, is that this generation of Cadillac had some weird angles on the nose - so I’m not actually sure if the grille is out of alignment or not (it might not be - really).

I’m of the opinion that it’s impossible to NPoCP a 60s (or older) car from pictures- you gotta look close, in person, and crawl underneath the damn thing, use a magnet, etc.  to have a real opinion.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RacinBob 01/02/2019 at 21:12

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I think the top needs to be in good condition in order to get a high price. Even with the paint, I’m like $5k.

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > WilliamsSW 01/02/2019 at 21:13

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Can confirm. it will big time leak.   I lived in a 60s convertible for a week last year. 

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > WilliamsSW 01/02/2019 at 21:15

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Pity

Dogsatemypants > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/02/2019 at 21:16

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Hmm looks almost familiar

WilliamsSW > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/02/2019 at 21:20

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I owned a ‘65 Skylark, when it was only 20 years old. Top was relatively new, but water would still seep in at the windshield header a bit, and you could stick your finger between the driver’s window and the top if you cared to.  All of that is pretty typical.

But the real problem with these cars is leaks at the rear window (which, frankly, most hardtop cars retained water here, too), and where the top meets the rear quarter.  This will rust out your trunk quickly.  

WilliamsSW > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 01/02/2019 at 21:21

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The question is not ‘does it leak’, it’s ‘how much does it leak’ - as in, does water seep in at the windshield header, or just spray directly onto the interior? :)

And good luck keeping the trunk from rusting...

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > WilliamsSW 01/02/2019 at 21:27

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not as much an issue in California but “does it snow on the inside?” is a question I wish I had asked myself.  In all reality I didn’t but it to drive with the top up.  I bought it as a family friendy equivalent to a motorcycle.  And “my convertible top leaks”  is white people problems. 

RacinBob > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/02/2019 at 21:27

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Because of a lack of trust, I am at the “pay me $2k” to take it off your hands...... I suspect it is well painted junk and that it probably performs about as well as any car resurrected and “kind of ran” when parked. This has all the smell of a seller who is trying to get the most for the least investment.

Of course my presumption is that the buyer wants a car that actually wants a car they can drive up to 70mph and then stop in a decent distance. If all they want to do is cruise with the top down to high school  at no more than 30 mph, maybe it would be fine until it overheated, ran out of fluids, or these fine Decathlon tires gave up the ghost... .

WilliamsSW > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 01/02/2019 at 21:30

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This is the Corvair you’re talking about, right?

And yeah, it’s very much a 1st world problem - which I solve on my 18 year old convertible by just not driving it in the rain much anymore (it really doesn’t leak unless in a car wash anyways).

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > WilliamsSW 01/02/2019 at 21:34

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yes my beloved slightly crashed corvair. I’ve straightened some of the tin and put the hood on my back steps and literally stomped it flat. It will rise again. There is a paucity of C orvair parts in my vicinity.  

WilliamsSW > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 01/02/2019 at 21:36

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Earl Scheib was way below Maaco.

“I’ll paint any car, any color $89.95, no ups, no extras ” was their long standing ad tag line- the price changed over the years, but it was always insanely cheap.

FLmanisback > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/02/2019 at 21:39

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Okay on desirability, for sure. Definitely CP on price. To start, needs tires, a tune up, and fluid changes, which are standard for any used car over 20 years old.

I can guarantee the top hydraulics need to be rebuilt. At the end of the day, after putting five grand and countless weekends in, you’ll have a Hemmings 3. Which is probably about a 10k car. The owner will sit on this for four months, then decide to keep it.

Believe me, I’ve been wrangling with a guy over a C4 corvette ragtop for two months. His ask is the value after I get the car in daily driver condition. Yet he keeps emailing me. I tell him, please, please, sell it. But yet he can’t, even though he insists it’s worth the ask. I tell him, tires are 200 bucks each, the bad shock is a $300 fix, and am I really going to replace ONE shock? But so it goes.  If it wasn’t a manual in the color I like, I would be long gone.  But I like rowing my own, and by 92 most of the people buying vetted opted for the automatic.

WilliamsSW > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 01/02/2019 at 21:39

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I’m surprised - I thought Corvair parts weren’t too hard to source.  They certainly have a large fanbase.  In fact, I joined CORSA recently, and just got a nice book in the mail from them  that I plan to read in the coming weeks - on owning/maintaining a Corvair.

Brian McKay > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 01/02/2019 at 21:41

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Crack pipe- smoking person inherited that car and thinks erroneously that (s)he can get $10, 000 by asking for $11,500? Okayyyyyy... c.p.

RacinBob > RacinBob 01/02/2019 at 21:43

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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > FLmanisback 01/02/2019 at 21:56

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I’d like to hear how this winds up for you. I like rowing my own also, mostly, if it’s set up nicely. I just bought a 2011 Mazda 3 and the shifter is great on that car. Lots of fun to drive.

But if you make a post like the one you just did, you should have authorship here. Shoot them an email and ask them:

oppomoderator@gmail.com

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > WilliamsSW 01/02/2019 at 22:07

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ALL the C orvairs I’ve tracked down for parts are early model cars that people listed as the incorrect year. Some were actually listed in the system but the staff generally had no idea what I was talking about. The late models I’ve found have been complete cars but just garbage.  Turns out they rust pretty badly.  (my “desert” car is not rust free).   

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > WilliamsSW 01/02/2019 at 22:12

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Maaco will give you what you pay for. My only Baaco job was shiny as fuck when I found it on the crusher pile 12 years later. And they will typically have one of the best painters in town. The kind of guy who gets handed a loaded paint gun then gets handed a lit cigar ette when he’s done. 

WilliamsSW > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 01/02/2019 at 22:22

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That sucks- and yeah, all   of the Big 3 unibodies from that era rusted hard. Bi ggest   problems with the Corvair were underneath and structural.  

WilliamsSW > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 01/02/2019 at 22:32

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Maaco I always thought would do a good job as long as you didn’t cheap out on prep, etc etc.

Scheib was shit though- their specialty was getting cars in and out the same day. They were charging $ 10 0 when the cheapest Maaco job was probably $ 40 0.

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > WilliamsSW 01/02/2019 at 22:35

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Mine is pretty solid, some minor rot in the rockers and quarters, but it’s been crashed in exactly the same way twice.  Nearly identical damage underneath the new damage.  (evidence of oxy-acetelene and some brazing,  Ugh.  but I can fix, just bought a perfectly good car because I was tired of fixing.)  Mechanical parts not hard to come by, already have all my rock auto tune up stuff, plus weird alternator and fuel pump. 

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > WilliamsSW 01/02/2019 at 22:40

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It takes me 3 years to do a nice body.   and Maaco will NOT sand your car. they’ll “chemical sand” whatever that means and give a teenager an off brand scotch-brite to do the whole thing.  But lots of good body guys will drop off a prepped car at Maaco.   I can’t beat their price, nor can I paint as well as any given Maaco painter, not even close. 

WilliamsSW > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 01/02/2019 at 23:01

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Yeah, I knew the mechanicals were easy- thought body was better than that.

You may be lucky- the original crash repairs maybe weren’t great, but at least they didn’t outright fail   when you hit that deer ( elk, I forgot?).

Some rot in the quarters and rockers is pretty much a given in these at this point.   

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > WilliamsSW 01/02/2019 at 23:06

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The issue is the seamless body, only the doors, frunk, hood and gascap come off. it’s a true full on unibody. like a karmann ghia.  

WilliamsSW > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 01/03/2019 at 00:17

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Ugh - yeah, I forgot about that. 

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > WilliamsSW 01/03/2019 at 07:50

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But both cars are worth the heartache and the loss of god that they bring.